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Title: fire bottle advice needed Post by Doug Floer on May 7th, 2013 at 8:24am
As luck would have it, I accidentally tripped the release on my Halon 1211 fire bottle, completely emptying the contents. I've been looking for someone to refill it but have come up empty. I'm hoping someone can point me to a company that will refill a Halon bottle. If that's not possible, I'd like the opinion of someone from the tech crew to comment on the suitability/legality of using the Pegasus replacements. There are two, the 0.9L (https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=9569) and the 1.3L (https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=9570). Can I get away with the less expensive but smaller 0.9L version in my 1981 Van Diemen Formula Ford? Any other sage advice from you seasoned vets would be greatly appreciated.
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Title: Re: fire bottle advice needed Post by TECHMAN on May 7th, 2013 at 10:46am
From the CACC GCR:
6 - Onboard Fire Suppression Systems This rule pertains to on board fire suppression systems where they are required by class regulations or are installed by choice. On-board fire systems shall use Halon 1301 or 1211, with a five pound minimum capacity (by weight). Alternatively, on-board fire systems may use AFFF or equivalent surfactant foam material, 2.25 liter minimum capacity (by volume). All AFFF fire system bottles shall incorporate a functional pressure gauge and shall be marked with the manufacturer’s recommended “filled weight.” CO2 cartridge propellant fire extinguishing systems are permitted provided that the seal of the manufacturer specified CO2 cartridge is not punctured and the fire bottle is equal to the weight specified by the system manufacturer. |
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Title: Re: fire bottle advice needed Post by Mike_the_Oldest on May 7th, 2013 at 11:56am
I'd recommend having a chat with Frank at Driver's Edge.
Mike |
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Title: Re: fire bottle advice needed Post by db on May 7th, 2013 at 1:04pm
Halon is banned in Canada unless you've got a military vehicle or a permit from Environment Canada.
http://www.ec.gc.ca/ozone/default.asp?lang=En&n=D90FFDBB-1 |
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Title: Re: fire bottle advice needed Post by ReEntry Racer on May 7th, 2013 at 1:38pm
Check this product out:
http://www2.dupont.com/FE/en_US/products/fe36.html DuPont FE36 is a non-ozone depleting, non-greenhose gas replacement perfectly suited to use in a race car (enclosed spaces). I just imported a 5 lb. bottle from Fire Bottle http://www.jegs.com/i/Fire-Bottle/386/RC-500S/10002/-1 The border guy spent 15 minutes trying to tell me I couldn't bring it into Canada, and finally agreed it is not banned, as it is not a Halon gas. Is your car log started later than 01/01/09? SCCA 2013: 9.3.23. FIRE SYSTEM All cars shall be equipped with an On-Board Fire System except Touring, Spec Miata, Super Touring and Improved Touring. A. On-Board Fire System Requirements Cars registered after 1/1/09 shall comply with the following onboard fire system requirements: Systems certified to SFI specification 17.1, or Those listed by the FIA on Technical List No. 16 The following information must be visible of the unit: • Certification label • Capacity • Type of extinguishing agent • Weight, or volume, of the extinguishing agent Note that the SFI Spec 17.1 ONLY specifies the system and testing, NOT the fluid/gas used. It say that it must be EPA legal, that's all. And about the Canadian regs: the rules Dave listed for Halon extinguishers only apply on Federally controlled property or First Nations property. All other Halon systems are under the control of Provincial regulations only. |
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Title: Re: fire bottle advice needed Post by Mike_the_Oldest on May 7th, 2013 at 3:06pm
Read the CACC regulation again. I don't believe that the material Larry is referring to is listed.
My own suggestion is AFFF. Easier to clean up and it doesn't leave a mess. |
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Title: Re: fire bottle advice needed Post by Doug Floer on May 7th, 2013 at 7:16pm
Thanks for all the great help, boys. Given that a Halon refill is out of the question, I'm going to take the advice of Bob W and Mike the oldest and visit Frank at Drivers Edge tomorrow.
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Title: Re: fire bottle advice needed Post by Bob_Williams on May 8th, 2013 at 9:16am
Thanks for not mixing up Bob W and Mike ;) and good choice with Frank @ Drivers Edge. :)
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Title: Re: fire bottle advice needed Post by ReEntry Racer on May 8th, 2013 at 1:13pm Mike_the_Oldest wrote on May 7th, 2013 at 3:06pm:
At BCIT Aerospace I have purchased and installed AFFF for two aircraft engine runup stands (350 HP Turbo Continental and Lycoming) and we also have it in the very large hangar suppression system as well. I does have one major issue: it freezes when temps get that low in winter. We remove the bottles and store them indoors. It also has a somewhat smelly film that needs to be washed off before it dries if discharged. I persomally use the new replacement FE36 because it leaves no residue at all, lowers temperature when activated, and will not freeze. It is accepted by SCCA (had this conversation at L. Seca a couple of weeks ago) but I covered my butt with both hands as I have a Halon 1301 bottle plus the new FE36 both mounted in the car. |
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