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Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:13pm

Im sorry to have to register my displeasure with SCCBC ruining the annual FV celebration in July for a few FC cars. FART has worked tirelessly to promote Canadian FV racing and has done a spectacular job at it over the years. Heck, they have singlehandedly revived the class up there to be a major player. I have recently leaned that their annual event has been sidelined to accommodate 15 or so FC drivers. Shame on SCCBC. FART has really established a name for you all the way down the west coast in FV and you do this. I personally know of FV drivers from WA, OR and CA that were planning on attending this year. Most of whom ran top 10 at the Runoffs. From what I understand, it was a financial decision to obtain those 15 or so FC entries. Mark my words, you lost at least that many in FV entries. Likely for years to come. Not a smart financial move IMO. Time for me to remove the SCCBC sticker I've kept on my car the last several years. Doubt many of us will be back except to support FART. Certainly not SCCBC.

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racestec Pro Circuit Offline winning isn't everything but losing sucks Posts: 385	Re: Sorely disappointed Reply #1 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:07am Yes it is disappointing for everyone. It was a decision made by the FART group to withdraw from the weekend. Feel free to PM me if you would like further details.
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Reply #2 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:23am

racestec wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:07am:

Yes it is disappointing for everyone. It was a decision made by the FART group to withdraw from the weekend. Feel free to PM me if you would like further details.

Sure they withdrew, because SCCBC didn't make it worthwhile. Neutered the entire deal such that no non-local drivers would make the trip.

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Reply #3 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:59pm

Yes Quinn it really is a disappointing turn of events. It was really great to see how the FART race grew over the last few years and had become an annual event that so many looked forward to. Remember the year we had Bob's VW Beetle with the surfboard on the roof as the "Special Pace Car?" That was so fun! The FART team do so much for this sport it's a shame that those efforts are not deemed as being of value now.

Earlier this week, I submitted my resignation from the SCCBC Executive. It's heartbreaking to see so much good that has been built up over the years get washed away so very quickly. Thank you for your support over the years!

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Reply #4 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 5:17pm

racestec wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:07am:

Yes it is disappointing for everyone. It was a decision made by the FART group to withdraw from the weekend. Feel free to PM me if you would like further details.

I had to look up the word disingenuous to really figure out how to reply to this.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disingenuous

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Reply #5 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:37pm

racestec wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:07am:

Yes it is disappointing for everyone. It was a decision made by the FART group to withdraw from the weekend. Feel free to PM me if you would like further details.

Bob Posner has asked me to post the following:

To intimate that the FART group decided to withdraw from the weekend,as if lacking explicable reason,is a misleading and essentially dishonest response. The membership and fv drivers deserve to hear a ring of truth such as " we wanted the additional entries and discounted fairness and good will to get them."

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Reply #6 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:06am

To put an end to the what I feel is unfair and uninformed sniping, here are the facts.
NWFC changed their schedule a number of weeks ago to move off the SCCBC ICSCC weekend to the July 18-19 weekend. We found out about this change through a forum post. The SCCBC exec discussed this change and how it could be an opportunity to increase the profile of our annual charity weekend. In these discussions of how to maximize the spectator draw and bring in people on both days of the weekend it was decided that we could have a "feature race" on each day of the weekend, such as Nascar, IndyCar and many others do. This would hopefully bring more spectators out for both days. Much of the focus of this weekend for the club is to maximize the income we can generate that we can pass along to the charity ( Ronald MacDonald House).
In the end the schedule came out without the advisement to the FART group. This was a regrettable error on our part. When we received a call from a representative of the FART group that they were not satisfied with the schedule, we immediately responded by asking them what "would work for them?" We were more than willing to entertain any changes or modifications that would make the weekend work. I asked them to get back to us after they had a chance to discuss. I received a phone call a couple of days later with the message that FART was withdrawing from the weekend. Executive members of the club made further attempts to have FART reconsider their decision. The club provided scheduling options and suggestions, including moving their race to Sunday, that were unfortunately still unacceptable.
Yes the club made an error in not advising all the stakeholders in the weekend. As soon as a concern was raised, we responded immediately and in good faith made a concerted effort to remedy the situation. The Club is operated by volunteers who carry out their tasks to the best of their abilities. To insinuate that their was some sort of malice or favouritism is incorrect. The club, with both past and current executive boards have consistently supported the FART group in their endeavours. This will continue in the future.
I hope this clarifies the situation and that we can move on to dealing with the multitude of tasks that are required to make this event for the kids and families a success.

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Reply #7 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 7:47pm

I purposefully avoid rhetoric and issues such as this.

However, regardless of much thought and any kick-back I may receive, I will say this...

In fairness to racestec's comments in this thread, I object to nothing when it comes to SCCBC's recollection of recent exchanges directly with FART.

It was FART's collective decision to withdraw - make no mistake, it was I who was "the FART representative" that informed the SCCBC.

That said, I feel compelled to contribute on a few matters.

1. We received confirmation from the SCCBC executive that the FART race was approved for July 18th & 19th on March 3, 2015

2. We were not consulted during any scheduling discussions resulting from an introduction of a new race group

3. The FART allotment was subsequently restricted to July 18 with limited exclusivity and was only discovered through a premature release of the schedule

FART carefully plans its annual races around the needs of the others. It considers an external organisation's schedule, the timing of summer and the likelihood of attendance during a particular time of year.

It's true - FART has been dutifully offered by the SCCBC executive an option to re-work the schedule, albeit after its posting. It's also true again that other organisations offered their influence to accommodate the FART contingent.

FART will simply not, readjust, recommend or propose a new schedule that will retract from the already posted schedule. It will not be the organisation to deteriorate any run groups, or the activities of any charity or sponsored event.

It can't be simpler than that.

Scott Arthur
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Safetymike Spectator Offline Don't forget to wave at the E-Crew Posts: 33	Re: Sorely disappointed Reply #8 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 7:53pm As I read this thread I see that 454 people have read it and only 4 or so people have replied to it. My reply is this, what a sad state of affairs that a situation like this can't be resolved by the parties involved. This truly is sad that for some reason 17 entries over 40 overrules, come on people!!! IMO... so sad
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Reply #9 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:29am

Let me preface this by saying what I suspect most know: I consider the folks at F.A.R.T my good friends. I've been renting the garage space next to Bob's garage for the past three years, and I've come to know everyone down there pretty well.

I don't know exactly what happened, but if what I've gleaned from this thread and personal conversations is true, I think we, as a club, owe Bob, Pam, Scott & Jennifer...

...and all the FV people who look forward to coming up for this race...

...an apology.

Does it sound like there was a lack of communication? Yes.
Clearly, the club did not communicate to Family Affair Racing Team that this year they would not get the same allotment of time as they had in years past. And in the absence of that communication, I think they (F.A.R.T.) were right in assuming that this year would be like the year before, and the year before that, etc., etc.

Did F.A.R.T "choose" to withdraw?
Sure, but only because they were no longer going to be able to offer a whole lot of people (some of whom were going to come a very long way; Arizona for instance) the experience that they had very reasonably assumed they were going to be able to offer. In the face of that, what "choice" did they really have?

I will say, I don't know the whole story, and if anyone would like to offer some explanation of how it is that F.A.R.T ended up with a one-day schedule...

...without their knowing it...

...I'm all ears.

For my part, I'm very sorry that there won't be a FART race this year. I had a blast last year racing with them.

From one member.

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rf94z Novice Offline Posts: 95 West Kelowna, BC	Re: Sorely disappointed Reply #10 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 8:31am Like the U.S., we could use a little lesson on racing relations.
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Tim Rosche Pro Circuit Offline Posts: 461 Home of Road Racing in B.C.	Re: Sorely disappointed Reply #11 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:43am I spoke to Bob Williams last w/e about this and he told me that the exec basically 'forgot' to tell FART. At least that is the excuse that was given. That is unacceptable and a simple copout. btw that is the same lame excuse that I was given last year when I was finally informed that all my work credits were erased.
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