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Mike_the_Oldest
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We're looking for a "few good men"
Oct 2
nd
, 2010 at 12:54pm
We're looking for a few good men or women to conduct a small experiment. We would like to see how long it take to exit a race car. For this we would like to have some volunteers. and, ideally, we should have a mix of open and closed wheeled cars. And a mix of people who use HANS devices and those who do not.
There's no prizes for this and the intent is
NOT
(repeat
NOT
) to embarras anyone. We are only interested in how long it takes to exit the cars and that is all.
We would conduct this experiment at lunch time during the driver's meeting.
If you are interested in participating, please e-mail me at my address:
michael_currie@telus.net
Hopefully this will be informative and interesting to all.
Thanks
Mike Currie
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Re: We're looking for a "few good men"
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Oct 2
nd
, 2010 at 5:14pm
Anything to do with that article about the guy whose car caught fire and he had previously practiced his exits and it probably saved his life?
I've been contemplating doing the same.
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Oct 2
nd
, 2010 at 7:22pm
I have done this myself. Given my age and obvious bulk, I didn't want to roast in there if things went badly. I actually did exit the car due to a small engine fire, back in 2007 I believe, (in Pre-Grid). Every situation /car/driver combination might be different, but my exit strategy has always been based on head first (yes, helmet will hit the ground) and roll away. After a few other attempts in more dignified ways it was the only one that worked quickly enough for me. 6 seconds was my best time. I used a camping mattress to make my test landings softer. I'd enjoy watching others try this!
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Mike_the_Oldest
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Oct 2
nd
, 2010 at 10:54pm
Given the complexity of the various attachments sometimes used in modern racing cars (HANS, radio, cool suit, etc. every driver should have a clear exit strategy.
My idea is to show us all some of the pitfalls and problems of exiting a racing car as quickly as possible.
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Oct 3
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, 2010 at 7:34am
Many of the tests being done by some of the other safety organizations are actually two tests. One is the exit test suggested here. The other, probably more important one is the same test, blind folded. This is to mimic a fire/smoke situation. Two of the fatalities in the last couple years were attributed to the victim's inability to see what they were doing. Complicating the problem was that the corner workers could not see and find the fire button due to the dense smoke.
In one of the two tragedies, the car still had the safety pin in the button for the fire system. The corner worker managed to find the button despite the fire and smoke but was unable to activate the system. He had suffered severe burns as he continued to pull not understanding why it wasn't activating. Meanwhile the driver was engulfed in flames. Subsequent to this event a survey was done in Florida where the event took place. It was to find out how many drivers left the grid with the safety pin still in button. 70% had the pin in. The reason? They didn't want the system to accidentally discharge. Makes you think.
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Mike_the_Oldest
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Oct 3
rd
, 2010 at 7:40am
For starters, we'll confine ourselves to the initial test without a blindfold. If we get positive results, we might just go to the blindfold test.
Currently we have one volunteer (James Dallimore) in a Vee. It would be nice to have a mix of drivers, especially those with the complicated setups.
Don't be chicken. We're not trying to embarrass anyone.
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Oct 3
rd
, 2010 at 9:06am
Hi Mike, I will participate.
Roland .
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Mike_the_Oldest
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Oct 3
rd
, 2010 at 11:17am
Thank you James and Roland.
Now all we need is a couple of sedans.
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Re: We're looking for a "few good men"
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Oct 3
rd
, 2010 at 3:54pm
my cars are nascar/cascar chassis and all though all my racing has been on ovals, I have allways worn a Hans device and every time i am in the car at the track I practice getting out in a hurry just in case (you never no) and would encurage everybody to do the same!
and if i can help i will , as we hope to have one of the cars ready for spring
mike cashen Mech01@telus.net
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Re: We're looking for a "few good men"
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Oct 4
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, 2010 at 6:36am
Maybe Ecrew would like to be involved to see how we can make our jobs easier in that situation we don't like to talk about , but should . we try to get around the paddock to assess each car to get an idea whats is involved, but it gets complecated with multiple class cars at the same meeting and even the same race, maybe we should be allowed to get a driver out to simulate a worst case , sorry just thinking out loud
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Mike_the_Oldest
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Oct 4
th
, 2010 at 10:19am
The initial intent of this is to convince the drivers to have an exit plan. Thus I'd like to keep this simply a driver oriented thing for the moment. I'm sure the e-crew would be welcome to observe and learn like the rest of us.
I believe Bob is correct and we should practice extractions so that e-crew are familiar with the cars and the issues. We'll have to work on that one for early next season.
Still looking for a couple more "volunteers" expecially in sedans with lots of paraphenalia.
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Oct 4
th
, 2010 at 12:14pm
I will bring a stunt mat for those tests, great to see such great dialogue and participation!
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Oct 4
th
, 2010 at 3:07pm
My car will be there and i would be happy to climb in and out of it with my suit and helmet on , however i do not have a hans device.
Chris Doodson
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Oct 5
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, 2010 at 12:22am
Thank you, Chris. That's three. HANS device not absolutely necessary. We have to start somewhere.
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Re: We're looking for a "few good men"
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Oct 5
th
, 2010 at 6:36am
This is a good time for all of our 'volunteers' to have a close look at their cars and make sure there are no sharp objects or anything else that may catch on their driving suit during a rushed exit that may tear or otherwise damage their driving suit.
It would be a shame to miss a race weekend because you damaged your suit during the demo.
Cheers,
Marc
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