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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #15 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 6:06pm

2muchfun247 wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Hi Mike My corvette has 6 piston baer brakes 14 inch rotors on the front and and wildwood super lites 4 piston calipers on the back 13 inch rotors cooling ducts front and back . Hawk dct 70 pads on the front and dct 60 on the back I can not stress enough how important the brakes are on a heavier high horse power car ,,, you just have to be able to stop . Tires will start to heat cycle out and will get slower but yes you can get a whole season out of them., Although I think 2 sets would be much better , in a perfect world I would have new tires every race weekend ...( not in my budget ) I will also add Castrol srf brake fluid is the absolute best money can buy it has the highest boiling point of all brake fluids . It is 70 bucks per litre but worth every penny , it is awesome stuff. See Frank at drivers edge he stocks it and is a great guy who supports grass roots racing and the sccbc , Go see him he has plenty of good insight and carries all the safety gear you would need ., and can order in anything you may need fo4r your project . The A6 tires are faster than the R6 but the R6 will not heat cycle out as fast as the A6. I like the A6 for race and R6 for practice and qualify If you only use the A6 for races they might last you the season. Tire rack in the states has good prices on the hoosiers . Also if you buy new get them pre heat cycled they will last a little longer . Hope this helps. Contact me anytime tschiewe@shaw.ca if you have any questions I can help you with Todd

GORGEOUS car by the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #16 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 6:08pm

Darwin wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 9:18am:

4 piston Performance Friction calipers & pads all around with 14"/13" rotors. Cooling ducts from front bumper to front rotors. ATE dot 4 fluid. As Todd says, you need to be able to stop. These brakes completely changed the nature of the car.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa259/darguy/99%20FRC%20Race%20Prep/DSCN7357....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa259/darguy/99%20FRC%20Race%20Prep/IMG_2309....

Thanks so much for the pics and detail Darwin....cant wait to meet you all at the track !!!

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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #17 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 11:48pm

update;

interior stripped and ready for cage and seat mount,
dash refurbed,
removable steering wheel in,
T5 in (will sort gear selector when seat is in),
pedals modified for my short self,
exhaust going in tomarrow...
i have a line on a good deal for cobra front brakes and 94/95 spindles..........

close on starting to have direction on rear disc conversion.

need some cheap 17 inch wheels so I can get some rubber on.

Since I am an ex stock car driver, Bassett wheels have a place in my heart. Strong, cheap, but heavy...

Anyone have any other ideas on wheels - used/cheap is good...not building a show car Wink

And some cheap used street rubber to just get it on the road would be perfect..

I will post pics when it starts to look better

thanks for all the help !!!!!!!!

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Mike McGarry Spectator Offline SCCBC Forum Member Posts: 31	Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1 Reply #18 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:08pm Coil overs in IP1...? Hi all...the rules are confusing me...says springs have to be in stock location, but coil overs are ok. Anyone know if I can convert 88 Mustang to coil over...? Thanks !!! -Mike
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2muchfun247 Novice Offline Road racing, not street racing! Posts: 72 Richmond B.C.	Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1 Reply #19 - Dec 9^th, 2014 at 6:51pm Ip1 no coil overs if it did bot come with it .... Ipe you can use coil overs
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Fastist12 Senior Racer Offline Passinu Posts: 191	Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1 Reply #20 - Dec 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm yes IP1 can use coilovers aslong as in the same location as stock springs
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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #21 - Dec 9^th, 2014 at 9:41pm

Fastist12 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

yes IP1 can use coilovers aslong as in the same location as stock springs

ok...so Maximum Motorsports has a coil over kit....but the spring in that case is on the strut that is mounted in its stock location.....

are you saying the spring needs to remain in the stock location, and the strut can be repositioned ...?

Sorry...just want to confirm...and I have not seen any like that...any advice on a brand would be great.

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Mike McGarry Spectator Offline SCCBC Forum Member Posts: 31	Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1 Reply #22 - Dec 9^th, 2014 at 9:43pm 2muchfun247 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2014 at 6:51pm: Ip1 no coil overs if it did bot come with it .... Ipe you can use coil overs ok....well the 88 mustang did not come stock with....guess that is a bit easier on the race car prep budget
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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #23 - Dec 9^th, 2014 at 11:53pm

Ok.... Fist thing in a car built to class is the Preperation rules
IP Uses the SCCA IT Rules for Car Prep
CACC Has some allowances to those rules Example Brakes ,,,Weight,,
Thats in the CACC Race Regs

You Coil ajust the spring,Ibach springs in any poundage you desire, and put in performance shocks,in there location,

Here is the Rule on Springs and shocks

b. Springs and Shock Absorbers
1. Shock absorbers may be replaced provided that the
replacements (a) attach to the original mounting points,
and (b) are of a non-remote-reservoir design. The number
and type (e.g., tube, lever, etc.) of shock absorbers
shall be the same as stock. The interchange of gas and
hydraulic shock absorbers is permitted. External adjustments
of shock control shall be limited to two (2). No
shock absorber may be capable of adjustment while the
car is in motion.
2. MacPherson strut equipped cars may substitute struts,
and /or may use alternate inserts. Spring seat ride height
location may be altered from stock. Remote reservoir
struts and/or inserts are prohibited. External adjustments
of shock control shall be limited to two (2).
3. Springs of any origin may be used, provided they are of
the same number and type as originally fitted, i.e., coil,
leaf, torsion bar, and that they shall be installed in the original
location using the original system of attachment. The
joining of two or more coil springs by any means is prohibited.
The use of tender springs are permitted. Shackles
or spacers may be used to adjust leaf spring ride height.
Spacers, including threaded units with adjustable spring
seats, may be used with coil springs. Coil over threaded
body shock/struts are permitted.
4. Spacers or lowering blocks may be used between leaf
springs and the point(s) of attachment to the axle housing.

Hope this helps
end the confusion
The SCCA rule book is on linehere

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/assets/2014%20GCR%20June1.pdf

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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #24 - Dec 13^th, 2014 at 1:26am

ok thanks for posting that clip of the rules !

I think the way I am reading that means no coil overs in my car as that would relocate the springs outboard of their original stock location, but I can improve shocks and struts and springs from oe stock.....guess that is a plus budget wise.

Have been looking at scca IT-R rules as I think that is IP1 in Canada..? Have track rules as well which it pretty much looks like to me say follow scca rules + a few adjustments such as brakes in a good way and other bits. Does ccac ( think is another sanctioning body..?) have other specific rules that impact the car itself..?
have not had any luck finding that document..?

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Mike_the_Oldest International License Offline Posts: 854 B.C.	Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1 Reply #25 - Dec 13^th, 2014 at 7:16am The 2014 CACC regulations are available on the CACC website. There have been some changes to the regulations which have been proposed at the Fall AGM, but will not be ratified until the Spring Meeting in March. Mike
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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #26 - Dec 13^th, 2014 at 11:21pm

Uh oh…think I blew it with the cage….I was under the impression that I followed SCCA rules. What is pasted below is the Minimum tubing and wall thickess requirements…..So I went with 1.625 at .135 wall thickness as it exceeds the requirement of .120 wall thickness.
Having just found the CACC rules, (pasted at bottom), it stipulates 1.75 inch minimum diameter pipe at .095 wall thickness….1.625 is not listed.

SCCA
Vehicle Weight Material Without Driver Mild Steel Alloy Steel
Up to 1500 lbs. 1.375 x .095 1.375 x .080
1500-2500 lbs. 1.50 x .095 1.375 x .095
Over 2500 lbs. 1.50 x .120, 1.50 x .095, 1.625 x .120, 1.75 x .095

CACC
Vehicle Weight as Raced With Driver
Tubing Size (inches) (outer diameter x wall thickness)
Up to 1700 lbs 1.375" X .080"
1701 –2699 lbs 1.500" X .095"
2700 lbs and up 1.750" X .095"

Does that mean the roll cage kit I just bought will not be acceptable to race at Mission……?

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Mike_the_Oldest International License Offline Posts: 854 B.C.	Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1 Reply #27 - Dec 14^th, 2014 at 4:12am I've sent you a PM. Mike
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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #28 - Dec 14^th, 2014 at 4:53pm

Roll cages are tricky. I designed mine to pass CACC, SCCA, and NASA regs. That meant going a bit more than any one required in three different directions.

The Tech guys will help you to build a legal car, but you've got to immerse yourself in the rule book(s) in order to wrap your head around the permutations.

Got a couple questions for you - what year is your car, what's the curb weight of your car in stock trim, displacement, and factory HP? I'm not super familiar with Mustangs - are there trim options for that year that make weight and power differences?

Cheers,
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Re: Just bought 88 Mustang lx for IP1
Reply #29 - Dec 14^th, 2014 at 8:57pm

Thanks Darwin....I was pretty proud of myself how deep I went into the rule - reading rules and instructions are not one of my strong suits....problem was that I missed an entire sanctioning body. Undecided

Tech guys are on the case !

Car is an 88 Mustang LX...curb weight is 3100lbs and HP is an eye shaking 225....be looking for tows down the straight for sure. Far as trim packages, I think there was GT and some Saleen options...think the GT added a few hundred pounds and a bit of HP but not sure where that came from......not sure on Saleen. think that was mainly front air dam and rear spoiler.

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