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Rob Dyck

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Re: Legal or not....that's the question....
Reply #15 - Aug 9^th, 2010 at 6:27pm

TECHMAN wrote on Apr 15^th, 2010 at 5:59am:

I believe the 2007 CACC IP rules were the same as the 2006 rules. I have not been able to find a 2007 only rule book. I seem to remember that there was no new 2007 rule book, only green sheets to update the 2006 book. Lorne may a better memory of this.
I have a copy of the 2006 book. I scanned the IP pages.
If someone needs a copy of these let me know. I'll send them to you as a PDF.

Please send me the PDF, many thanks.

robdyck@yahoo.com

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Rob Dyck Senior Racer Offline Posts: 176	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #16 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 4:16am
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Reply #17 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 6:05am

I agree some IP3 cars are quicker than others ??? but it hard to judge cars based on a standing start.
You really must look at a few different things when it comes to a standing start and YES driver skill is a big part along with using all the power you have and putting it to the ground and stopping the car in the most effective way.
Im not saying all those IP3 car are legit. but its really hard to police such things as small engine mods ......

You will never get every IP3 Honda car the same.

The best way to find out if you are getting all that your car has to offer, is too find a very skilled driver who can push your car to the limits and compare info on a data aquisition system. You would be supprised how far some people can push a car into braking and still make the corner.

Of course this still may mean the guy with the IP3 car and a cam shaft may be faster Wink

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Keith Robinson International License Offline I RACE;THEREFORE I AM! Posts: 1,454	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #18 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 9:15am 'cause your other problem was you got stuck behind me ! Jr and Nixon are very aggresive semi pro drivers; like Dude says let someone else driver your car that will tell you what you have to work on next, the car or... !
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Rob Dyck Senior Racer Offline Posts: 176	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #19 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 9:37am No winking needed my friend....I KNOW my driving needs work.....
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Keith Robinson International License Offline I RACE;THEREFORE I AM! Posts: 1,454	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #20 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 9:44am I choose the wrong tires for that race and 'yes it was' and 'probably'. We could swap cars for a practice session and that would tell us something, probably that we both need 20 more horsepower and a visit to Jim Russell .
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Rob Dyck Senior Racer Offline Posts: 176	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #21 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 9:55am
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Jordy Isaak

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Reply #22 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 10:00am

A couple notes:

- Yes Rob, your car is legal. However, I've pointed out to you a number of areas where you can improve it and still be legal. Work on them instead of worrying about what everybody else is doing to their cars. We have a month and a half before the next race weekend and I have a bit of free time coming up in September, so lets make one or two of the improvements I've suggested to you.

- Rob, you were braking very early and driving conservatively. Morris Jr. was not. In corner 1 you were on the brakes and slowing down before *both* cars ahead of you started doing so. In corner 3 you were on the brakes well before marker 5. Tony was pretty much beside you at marker 4 when he started slowing down. On the exit of 3, Morris Jr. got on the throttle almost a second ahead of you, plus he carried more speed through the corner. Under those circumstances of course he's going to out accelerate you.

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Doodson

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Reply #23 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 10:27am

The Honda challenge was meant to be a good race due to the fact that most of the HC2 / IP3 cars (CRX's /civic's) should all be in the same HP range , give or take 10 HP between a good new engine and an older one.

You can ask Martin Berryman about how many power mods he had tryed on his CRX when he owned it , and how little power most of them made. I'm sure he would tell you that learning to be a better driver would be a far better place to spend some time and money.

Please remember that both Nixon and Morris Jr. have driven alot of different cars around that track than most.
Both of these people are good places to obtain information regarding your driving lines and techniques.
Might not be free info but its good info Wink

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Rob Dyck Senior Racer Offline Posts: 176	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #24 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 10:33am Not arguing that for a second..... Back on to original topic?
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RSRacer Pro Circuit Offline winning isn't eveything but losing sucks.. Posts: 382	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #25 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 10:38am I Think Keith's tires were heat cycled out and his shock settings were way off .
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Jordy Isaak Pro Circuit Offline Really, how hard can it be? Posts: 311	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #26 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 10:44am Rob Dyck wrote on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 10:33am: Not arguing that for a second..... So if he out-drove you and you know it, why are you posting in the tech forum implying that his car is not legal?
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Rob Dyck

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Re: Legal or not....that's the question....
Reply #27 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 1:11pm

Well, this thread went from my questions of legalities to my own teammate putting me down..... #%@* me what a day....

Between that and the private threats I have received that if I decided to "get smart" , implications were made that my "stuff" would get messed with......

Nice!

So getting back on topic......

I started with a simple frickin' question that nobody seems to really want to deal with:

"What parts would fall under the category of "vexatious"? For example, I still have in the car the rear windshield wiper motor, windshield washer fluid bottle and those hydraulic pistons that hold up my rear hatch because they are "parts normally found on a stock example".

I don't see these parts on a few of the other cars..... are they still legal?"

Sheesh.....I would have been happy with a yes or no....

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Rob Dyck Senior Racer Offline Posts: 176	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #28 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 1:19pm Rob Dyck wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 6:27pm: Please send me the PDF, many thanks. robdyck@yahoo.com I still would like a copy of that PDF please. Thank you.
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Coastal Ex Member	Re: Legal or not....that's the question.... Reply #29 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 1:37pm lol you can't escape racing politics anywhere....
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